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Lindakron
Sweet Inspiration
Canada
2701 Posts |
 Posted - 10/03/2007 : 21:35:18
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Is it safe to assume that Dusty grew to dislike this song? I'm curious, based on her comment on stage at RAH, calling it a "joke song". And I wonder if it was a must-have for her live shows because so many people connect her with that song.
I rather dislike it, honestly. Dusty does a fine vocal performance, and the music itself is also not bad, but the lyrics are horrid. What was Hal David thinking! There are several songs by Dusty that I think have some pretty rotton lyrics but I think this one takes the cake.  The underlying message is that you have to change who you are for someone else.
Interestingly, this is arguably one of the top three songs that Dusty is know for in North America (the other two being IOWTBWY and YDHTSYLM)
~Linda~
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MattMidd1
Wishing And Hoping
United Kingdom
570 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2007 : 21:38:56
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I love the song! - I see what you mean though. I saw The Making Of A Hit and Dusty said herself that she didn't like the song and couldn't take it seriously (she burst into a giggle).
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Janie
Administrator
United Kingdom
6060 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2007 : 21:49:58
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Linda
One of the things we have to be mindful of when considering the written word (song lyrics here) is that they have to be viewed in an historical context. Good God, I sound just like a Social Historian...how strange is that??!!
By the time Dusty denounced the lyrics, she was well on the road to becoming her own girl...the world had moved on, she had moved on.
Of course those lyrics sound absurd to us....however, they epitomised much of what has gone on in the past. Indeed, if I'm brutally honest, if you listen to how some of the young girls in this day and age sell their own identities in order to get themselves a man/partner I actually wonder how much times have really changed. In all honesty, for a certain section of our populations, I suspect very little has!
The very philosophical and ever cynical Admin person who is........
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Carole R.
Higher and Higher
United Kingdom
13655 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2007 : 22:02:33
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Yea... Unfortunately, the words were acceptable in the Sixties(Just!)
But with the onset of feminism, the birth pill, equality and Germaine Greer..
..the words became laughable.
Thats why, Dusty called it a 'joke song' in my opinion.
I consider it a pleasing little ditty though,just IGNORE the words!
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treking
Wasn't Born To Follow
United Kingdom
5667 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2007 : 22:31:24
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I too just tend to ignore the words.Dusty always said she ignored lyrics--though I'm not sure I believed her!!
I just love the way she sings this song.
Janie is right when she says some girls sell their identities even today--just to get a partner. Stand next to them in a Supermarket or sit near them in a cafe and you will hear them doing everything they can for him/her!!
Trek
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Lindakron
Sweet Inspiration
Canada
2701 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2007 : 00:30:18
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I suppose the theme has always been the same throughout history, of having to change your behaviour to be accepted. I'm hyper-sensitive to that issue, it burns my britches, lol.
But I appreciate the comments, and I will continue to try ignoring the lyrics, or, at best, replace them with the RAH re-write, ha ha.
Dusty's vocals are great, and the melody is quite interesting. No problems there!
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Janie
Administrator
United Kingdom
6060 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2007 : 00:49:59
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I think I must be slow or something because I can honestly say that I have never taken exception to the lyrics. Anybody who knows me will not credit that statement I'm sure...they still don't bother me strangely enough.
Now.... would I change my behaviour to suit another? Your comments on a postcard please 
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Lynn
Wishing And Hoping
225 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2007 : 19:10:57
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OK now I have to go listen to the track cos I don't think I listen to lyrics much..except Breakfast In Bed lol. I must be a melody listener - maybe cos I love to dance so listen for the beat? I like to pick out musical instruments and harmonies on tracks too.
Don't walk behind me, I may not lead,
Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow.
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TMAK
Wasn't Born To Follow
USA
5152 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2007 : 19:22:26
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"becoming her own girl..."????
Tsk! Tsk!
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Janie
Administrator
United Kingdom
6060 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2007 : 19:56:06
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Originally posted by TMAK
"becoming her own girl..."????
Tsk! Tsk!
T
And what's wrong with that statement, may I ask?
Janie x53 |
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TMAK
Wasn't Born To Follow
USA
5152 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2007 : 20:13:10
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"I am GIRL, hear me roar!" I think not.
For shame, Janie, for shame!
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Janie
Administrator
United Kingdom
6060 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2007 : 20:41:28
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quote:
Originally posted by TMAK
"I am GIRL, hear me roar!" I think not.
For shame, Janie, for shame!
T
Crikey...I'm more than happy to be referred to as a 'girl' BUT boy....can I roar!!!!!!!!
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TMAK
Wasn't Born To Follow
USA
5152 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2007 : 20:49:46
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"Crikey...I'm more than happy to be referred to as a 'girl'..."
Yeah, I notice that a lot of OLD women say that.
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Sara
Higher and Higher
United Kingdom
9295 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2007 : 20:54:11
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LMAO!
No, I prefer to be referred to as a 'girl' too. I am NOT a grown up yet!
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TMAK
Wasn't Born To Follow
USA
5152 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2007 : 20:56:09
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"Of course those lyrics sound absurd to us....however, they epitomised much of what has gone on in the past. Indeed, if I'm brutally honest, if you listen to how some of the young girls in this day and age sell their own identities in order to get themselves a man/partner I actually wonder how much times have really changed. In all honesty, for a certain section of our populations, I suspect very little has!"
Yeah, Janie, unfortunately I must agree with you on that.
I remember reading those articles and sitting in on those "conscious raising" sessions as a teenager in the late 60s and marveling how things were changing! Just in time, too.
Some things DID change for the better, but as you said, some things have changed very little.
T
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TMAK
Wasn't Born To Follow
USA
5152 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2007 : 20:58:40
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Originally posted by Sara
LMAO!
No, I prefer to be referred to as a 'girl' too. I am NOT a grown up yet!
Sara x
Sara -
Growing older is mandatory - growing up is an option.
I believe in taking that growing up stuff in moderation.
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Sara
Higher and Higher
United Kingdom
9295 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2007 : 21:18:07
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Sara x |
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Jen
Brand New Me
Canada
72 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2007 : 23:06:48
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I may have told this story before..... but....
Many years ago I was a member of a Feminist Women's Radio Collective (...now there's a word one hardly ever hears these days!)
I would play Dusty from time to time and whenever we selected Wishin' and Hopin' I would provide a light hearted "parental guidance advisory" - any young women listening could only do so if they had an adult close by to explain this piece of history!
Jen
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Rob
Something Special
United Kingdom
1113 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2007 : 23:17:26
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Maybe we can relive the scene if you manage to get to Dusty Day Jen
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Jen
Brand New Me
Canada
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Posted - 11/03/2007 : 23:46:55
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Now there's a thought, Rob!!
With any luck I'll know tomorrow if I can be there... fingers crossed!!
Jen
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Lindakron
Sweet Inspiration
Canada
2701 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2007 : 23:52:34
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quote:
Originally posted by Jen
I may have told this story before..... but....
Many years ago I was a member of a Feminist Women's Radio Collective (...now there's a word one hardly ever hears these days!)
I would play Dusty from time to time and whenever we selected Wishin' and Hopin' I would provide a light hearted "parental guidance advisory" - any young women listening could only do so if they had an adult close by to explain this piece of history!
Jen
That's hilarious!!!
I think fashion magazines and teen magazines should come with the same "parental guidance" label. The messages in advertising, etc. are awful. 
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