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Carole R.
Higher and Higher
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 04/12/2006 : 15:11:05
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It would be interesting to find out what we all think about these;
So, first off, I'm asking whether we/you think that Diana Princess Of Wales was assasinated/murdered.
Or, was it REALLY an accidental death?
I thought to start with, we'd just say which of the options we think happened, and leave the reasons why for another day.
Carole R.xx
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Janie
Administrator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 15:12:27
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Assasinated/murdered.
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Carole R.
Higher and Higher
United Kingdom
13245 Posts |
Posted - 04/12/2006 : 15:14:46
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My vote goes to;
Assasinated/murdered.
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Sara
Higher and Higher
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 20:22:02
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I think so too more likely than not, sadly. But I don't know enough about it to be sure, I've not seen the documentaries or read the books.
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Mark
Sweet Inspiration
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/12/2006 : 21:35:45
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I have always believed, and always will that it was a tragic accident....there was no 'conspiracy' to murder either Dodi or Diana, it was a combination of circumstances, such as.....
1. None of the party were wearing a seat-belt, maybe if they had, as they should of had been, the accident may have been survivable.
2. Do the General public really think that Prince Philip is so cold and heartless that he would sanction the murder of the Mother of two young Children?
3. Henri-Paul was over the drink-drive limit, plus a combination of his medication, and excessive speed caused him not to be in 100% control of the vehicle, leading to the misjudgment of the slight curvature in the road at the entrance to the Alma tunnel which led to the car hurtling into the 13th concrete post, plus he didn't drive the direct route to Dodi's apartment (probably because travelling along the Champs-Elysee is a very slow stop-start journey)
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Perhaps the most tragic thing is that the couple decided to go back to the Apartment at all, in hindsight they could have remained in the Suite where they had their late-night Supper, after all, the Hotel were hardly likely to let the Suite to someone else again at such a late hour....
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Rhiannon
Wishing And Hoping
United Kingdom
385 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2006 : 22:16:08
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TMAK
Wasn't Born To Follow
USA
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Posted - 06/12/2006 : 02:58:48
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I concur with Mark's observations.
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Janie
Administrator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/12/2006 : 09:52:30
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Never underestimate the power of the 'Establishment'. The whole reason that there has been so much confusion over this is that some quite straightforward questions were never given sraightforward answers. One of the ones that springs to mind was the nature of her embalming which by most accounts seems to go against the grain of what would be deemed normal and appropriate. Nobody has explained why this should have been done. There are lots of discrepancies - I guess even when the full report on the British inquest comes out (can't recall the name of the guy who is writing the report, somebody will have to help me on that one)it won't necessarily answer all the questions.
One disconcerting thing though is that it has dragged on so long - suggests to me that certain 'facts' have been covered up. I suspect there were a lot of things going on in terms of how 'the Establishment' dealt with the relationship (Mother of a Future King of the Realm with Fayed's son?) - no body has to spell out the implications for such a staid monarchy as ours. Whatever, it is all so very troubling and a real tragedy on two levels as far as I'm concerned. Firstly the human aspect. I think Diana was a young potentially unstable, unhappy girl who was used and abused by 'the system'. If any of our future 'kings' had to prove they were a 'virgin' before conceiving the next heir to the throne, the line would stop dead. Perhaps that's the line (excuse the pun) the Republicans should take!! I'm not a Republican myself but I do believe that we are all culpuble because we live under the regime we do - it is a regime, it ain't a democracy otherwise all the fawning by the likes of Tony Blair around the time of her death would have been translated into firm action immediately, not all this *****footing around.(I should explain that I haven't sworn here, its the software has disguised what it deems to be a rude word...that is associated with a cat..not catty footing but *****footing! Clever!)
The second point is that Diana was a tremendous asset to the Royal Family. I suspect the Queen knew this.
The trouble in all of this of course is that Charles is a product of the system - he was never the happiest bunny around. Time has shown he needed a stronger woman than Diana was.
I've gone off at a complete tangent here and in so doing have thought of another thread.
Love and marriage OR
Duty and marriage
Such a sentiment need not only apply to the Royals, eh?
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Carole R.
Higher and Higher
United Kingdom
13245 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2006 : 12:56:27
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I agree in the main with Janie...
Even if it was accepted that the crash was an accident..
there has been a concerted attempt
to remove Diana from the Nation's Psyche...
That Memorial/Open sewer in Hyde Park is an insult to her name,
and it will eventually disappear, because of safety reasons,
blah blah..
The John Stevens report will just be a bland official'offering'
to say that it was an accident..
Most people still won't be convinced....and like the JFK assassination it will never be fully resolved.
Over time the younger people will forget about Diana,
and she will be erased from History.
The Lady provided the Nation with an heir and a 'spare'...
After that, she was dispensable....
Carole R.
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Mark
Sweet Inspiration
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/12/2006 : 19:36:44
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quote:
Originally posted by Carole R.
That Memorial/open sewer in Hyde Park is an insult to her name,
Over time the younger people will forget about Diana,and she will be erased from History.
Carole R.
I hope not, I don't think anything has been organised properly as yet, but to mark the 10th anniversary of Diana's death next year I did hear on the Wireless a couple of weeks ago that the two Princes are arranging a 'rock concert' of sorts to benefit Diana's Charity's.
As for the memorial in Hyde Park I've been there twice this year and found it quite a tranquil and peaceful spot, I think they had some problems with the slippery granite at first but they have been resolved, there are several different granite shapes in the base of the fountain to give the water rushing round a unique sound a different places, and there are a couple of wardens to make sure people don't runaround on and in it (though it's okay to sit on the ledge and dip your feet in!)....here's a couple of photos from first visit....(the same day as I did the 'Aubrey Walk' shoot, and it started to pour with rain!)
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Janie
Administrator
United Kingdom
5971 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2006 : 20:04:03
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Thanks very much for the photos and the info Mark.
Janie xx |
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Carole R.
Higher and Higher
United Kingdom
13245 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2006 : 20:34:58
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Yes, thanks for the photographs Mark.
However when you see The Albert Memorial,
The Royal Albert Hall and the numerous squares, parks etc that are named after Prince Albert, the Consort of Queen Victoria,
it is obvious that Queen Victoria WANTED Albert to be remembered.
Speaking only for myself, and taking into consideration how much Diana was loved by the public,
I am more than a little disappointed at the seemingly lack of enthusiasm on her behalf.
Perhaps its just me.
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Carole R.
Higher and Higher
United Kingdom
13245 Posts |
Posted - 06/12/2006 : 20:38:07
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Maybe its time to discuss another controversial death.
Do you think that, Lee Harvey Oswald, working alone, killed JFK?
Yes, OR No...with discussion, IF you so desire.
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Mark
Sweet Inspiration
United Kingdom
2703 Posts |
Posted - 17/12/2006 : 08:16:55
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Here's a photo taken a few years ago of the memorial to Dodi and Di that's in the London store Harrods, the arrangement has changed a little since then, the last wine glasses the couple used on that fateful evening are now on display......hmmmm.
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Edited by - Mark on 17/12/2006 08:21:26 |
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Mark
Sweet Inspiration
United Kingdom
2703 Posts |
Posted - 17/12/2006 : 08:28:44
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Bit of a difficult one concerning JFK, I've watched the movie several times, and there's so many twists and turns I really don't know what to think, Oswald was obviously a Communist sympathiser and had a Russian wife, but I honestly can't think what his motivation for pullin' the trigger was, probably mentally unbalanced in someway.
Once the movie was released it came to light there were some 'secret files' that were to be locked away for many years after the findings of the original Warren commission, but the FBI demanded they be opened, have the contents of these files ever came to light, I wonder?
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Carole R.
Higher and Higher
United Kingdom
13245 Posts |
Posted - 17/12/2006 : 11:26:59
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Hi Mark...I always thought it MOST odd that Jack Ruby managed to shoot Lee Harvey Oswald dead before anything came to trial....
Abit too convenient for my liking....
Carole R.
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Mark
Sweet Inspiration
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/12/2006 : 19:42:52
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quote:
Originally posted by Carole R.
Hi Mark...I always thought it MOST odd that Jack Ruby managed to shoot Lee Harvey Oswald dead before anything came to trial....
Abit too convenient for my liking....
Carole R.
Absolutely Carole!.....yes, it's come back to me now, Ruby was also terminally ill, so he had nothing to lose anyway.....
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