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Carole R.
Higher and Higher
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sparkie
Wishing And Hoping
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 25/07/2007 : 23:59:35
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I saw that a while back - nice to see VW sticking her oar in again! It makes me wonder why she has to keep prattling on so negatively about one of her so called 'best friends'??  Does this woman not know when to keep her trap shut or does she do it deliberately? Maybe she's just lacking in the common sense department! Or maybe that's just my opinion be it right or wrong!!!
And especially when Dusty is no longer here to defend herself... not that she should have to. She lived her life her way and, like countless millions of others I'm sure, made some mistakes along the way (I know I have!). But you learn from those mistakes and move on and hopefully get through the rough times, which we know Dusty did; she got herself back together and came out the other side alive and kicking and rebuilt her life.
How awful that must have been as well that Madeline always expected to see on newspaper stands that something tragic had happened to Dusty, what a terrible thing to have hanging around in the back of your mind 
God bless Pat though, don't you just love that woman?! I don't think she had/has any reason to feel guilty about not going to America with Dusty, I think she's certainly done her bit over the years and continues to do so and I'm sure will do until the day she is reunited with her former 'boss'! 
I'll stop prattling on now myself too before I get carried away!! 
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TMAK
Wasn't Born To Follow
USA
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Posted - 26/07/2007 : 00:02:23
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Brava, Sparkie, Brava!!
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Sara
Higher and Higher
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/07/2007 : 00:10:38
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Aww, I know! Well said Sparkie.
If only she could've had a lil cat house thing somewhere, how cool would that have been..
Sara x
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Lindakron
Sweet Inspiration
Canada
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Posted - 26/07/2007 : 00:55:00
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I love the footage of "Sandra".
I'm impressed with Helene's dedication to Dusty's sobriety. That's a true friend. I loved the footage of the animal sanctuary too.
I wonder if Vicki Wickham has any friends anymore. I'd imagine most would be inclined to stay the hell away from her after what she did to Dusty.  That's all I have to say about that.
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furtivenudist
Wishing And Hoping
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Posted - 26/07/2007 : 11:53:11
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Vicki Wickham, as a manager, was probably frustrated. The greatest singer England ever produced sitting there, staring at animals all day long. It's not that Dusty couldn't get work, it's that she turned it down mainly.
The American showbiz ethic is "The show must go on". Nobody understood why Dusty wasn't working for almost 17 years. |
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MattMidd1
Wishing And Hoping
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/07/2007 : 11:56:50
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Dusty hated the nightclub circuit, and thats all that was offered to her, and she turned it down, understandably, because she didn't want to do that sort of thing.
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Pablito
Wishing And Hoping
Ireland
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Posted - 28/07/2007 : 16:28:44
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Thanks for the clip Carole.
It always annoys me the way Dusty's 70's are ignored - musically. The emphasis is always on the drink and drugs etc., - never any mention of the wonderful music she made in Philadelphia, or her album with Lambert/Potter - "Cameo", or her recordings made in England.
On the other hand - Vicki Wickham doesn't annoy me at all, I've nver been offended by anything she said about Dusty - she talks mainly about Dusty in a professional capacity and Pat Rhodes talks mainy about Dusty as a friend. I think that's where the difference lies.
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tedabracci
Wishing And Hoping
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Posted - 28/07/2007 : 22:53:02
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I love calling up Vicki and saying a few words. Mostly to her machine. She was never there for Dusty, when Dusty was in L.A. I like Nona very much. Dusty had me say I was sorry to her. Which I didn't mind. And after that book how could she say they were friends. I saw all this before the book. Thats why I got her Jennifer Cohen for a manager. She was also the vice president of WEA. Warner Electra Aslum. I said Dusty has it made now. But it didn't work. I hope I'm not repeating myself. Love Teda xx
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Sara
Higher and Higher
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Posted - 28/07/2007 : 23:05:36
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Why did you have to apologise to Nona? Sorry, I'm so nosey
Paul, I so agree about the 70s stuff being ignored, that always annoyed me too She made some amazing stuff in the 70s but all anyone wants to talk about is the negative stuff in her private life
Sara x
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MattMidd1
Wishing And Hoping
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Posted - 28/07/2007 : 23:14:52
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oh I know, I would LOVE to know more about Cameo, because it's my all-time favourite album. But they never ever talk about it.
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tedabracci
Wishing And Hoping
USA
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Posted - 29/07/2007 : 01:11:58
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Sara, I told Vicki off on the machine and Nona lives there. I wasn't getting help for Dusty from anyone there. Now eveyone don't get crazy with me. I threatened to blow up there house. Now I was only kiddening. Thats why Dusty wanted me to say I'm sorry to Nona. When that book came out, I went to town. But from 1982 till she died she was sober. She was getting her life together. I'm very proud of her. I got to see it happen in my face. Love Teda xx
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Lindakron
Sweet Inspiration
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Posted - 29/07/2007 : 08:33:48
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Originally posted by tedabracci
But from 1982 till she died she was sober. She was getting her life together. I'm very proud of her. I got to see it happen in my face. Love Teda xx
That's one hell of an accomplishment, right there. It's not easy, not at all. Thanks for that. 
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Janie
Administrator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29/07/2007 : 09:34:01
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A few observations!
Teda - I so enjoy reading your posts, thank you! I think we can all understand how frustrated and helpless you felt. I know exactly what it's like to deal with someone who has 'problems' but who seems to be beyond the reach of the one she loves most......however, such a soul makes everyone feel entirely impotent......all we can do is to be there for our loves even if it doesn't always achieve anything tangible in the short term. I get the feeling that you tried your hardest and thats all any of us can do. You always write about Dusty in such a positive light and thats a credit to you...we appreciate it.
Paul - I agree entirely about the music of the 70's, so many of my favourite tracks are from this decade. Par for the course though, humans being humans, that the negative stuff gets aired. However, I am more than a little ambivalent about what I feel about Dusty's private life/troubles being made public. Whilst on the one hand I respect the notion of private 'stuff' remaining in the 'private' as against 'public' domain I feel that many positive outcomes have been achieved..........look at what this woman went through, what she overcame.......she was a survivor, a fighter. Have a read of the biography I wrote on our tribute site and you'll get a flavour of what I mean by these comments  .
OK, I know full well that so many people say she brought a lot of it on herself. My response to such people is, 'Well pals, ain't you the lucky ones if you're so perfect?' We are all mortal souls, and I for one would like to go through life untroubled by whats inside me, but I know thats not possible.
I have never deified Dusty, I didn't know her but I recognise she had her failings, her weaknesses. I recognise the effect of those 'demons' within her, because they did exist, didn't they, we can't deny that? She though, did her utmost to remain a private person during her lifetime and she has my respect for that. She was 'never in your face', in the same way that Amy Winehouse currently is - maybe that in itself has a lot to do with the media of today rather than the individual, though? It is because she seemed to want to safeguard her privacy that I personally find Vicki Wickhams negative comments so distasteful. At the very least, Vicki is a professional woman who could have chosen her words more carefully - you can say truthful things without sounding quite so cutting, it has a lot to do with the tone of her interviews. Maybe I'm just too sensitive a soul myself!
Matt - Dusty was a professional singer with huge talent. Most of us have to earn our living, we can't always do exactly what we want in order to earn our pennies. I know she didn't want to follow the normal route but I have not seen anything anywhere that suggests to me what it is she actually wanted to do. What did she expect her American management to do with her? I've said it before on this forum, I used to work for a woman who used to say to me....'Jane, I don't want to hear only about problems with your projects...I'll listen to them of course I will, but bring me some solutions as well'. My question remains, what did Dusty really want to do in those years? More to the point, if she knew what she wanted to do, was it feasible, and what did she do about it to make it happen? Some would say, she didn't have an inkling and just let those demons take over .
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TMAK
Wasn't Born To Follow
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Posted - 29/07/2007 : 13:27:30
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"I think we can all understand how frustrated and helpless you felt. I know exactly what it's like to deal with someone who has 'problems' but who seems to be beyond the reach of the one she loves most......however, such a soul makes everyone feel entirely impotent......all we can do is to be there for our loves even if it doesn't always achieve anything tangible in the short term."
Janie, you sure got THAT right! If someone kept coming along every so often to put a hurt on someone you love, you would want to hunt him/her down and beat the crap out of him/her, right? But what can you do when the 'hurter' and the 'hurtee' are one and the same person?
"Frustrated and helpless" indeed. You can live with that 'up close and personal' for only so long. It took years before I finally had to admit that that was one thing that I just could not fix. 
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furtivenudist
Wishing And Hoping
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Posted - 30/07/2007 : 14:15:37
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Dusty hated the nightclub circuit, and thats all that was offered to her, and she turned it down, understandably, because she didn't want to do that sort of thing.
Matt.
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Most of us have to earn our living, we can't always do exactly what we want in order to earn our pennies.
Janie
Tina Turner was all but forgotten in the 70s and early 80s - she worked the nightclub circuit tirelessly and not even the classy nightclubs, more like Holiday Inns.
Janie is quite right - what was Dusty expecting of America? There was tons of work for the asking. If you have such enormous talent, bring it to the people. Keep working, that's all you can do.
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Loony
Wishing And Hoping
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31/07/2007 : 11:12:05
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Carole - I feel a longish post coming on so before I get to that, thanks for postiong the clip, it's a while since I've watched it.
I get annoyed about the music being ignored too.
It's sad to think of Dusty being so low, but it's great that she got through it and turned things around.
The interviews on the clip just show how much Vicki Wickham needs lessons in tact and decorum. The contrast between her and the ever loyal - and clearly GENUINE Pat Rhodes - never fails to come through. Pat never says Dusty was perfect, but Vicki seems to go out of her way to latch on to the negatives all the time - I really hope people who declare themselves to be my 'close friends' have a better grasp of the meaning of friendship than her.
Elaine x
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