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reputation
Something Special
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 23/07/2008 : 21:06:24
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Starting a new thread to answer Marty's comments that she read Amy is pregnant.
I did a google search Marty and she is not, what she said was she loves kids and wants five including twins and that Blake would make a great dad.
It seems to be she is obsessed with Blake as she's always talking about him and how wonderful he his.
If Amy ever does have children I hope it's the making of her, I feel sorry for any child having her as a mother as she can't look after herself!
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Earthbound Gypsy
Something Special
USA
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Posted - 23/07/2008 : 21:17:10
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Karl you took me suprise to see the title of the post
Glad to hear she is not pregnant as she never grew up herself.
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Memphis
Wishing And Hoping
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/07/2008 : 21:58:24
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I agree with Marty. She's like a child trapped in a skinny woman's body. So dependent on Blake who is a dog of a man. She should get real and realise her power and live up to her potential. But if she's totally besotted there ain't nuthin' she can do about it...I guess she can't make it alone...
Memphis
Ever since we met...
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treking
Wasn't Born To Follow
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/07/2008 : 22:41:44
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I think Blake's absence makes him even more wonderful in her eyes...she is looking through rose tinted glasses.
Trek
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Sweetbaby
Something Special
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Posted - 23/07/2008 : 23:32:33
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 What's this? Amy Winehouse has Marty's threads on? |
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Lindakron
Sweet Inspiration
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Posted - 23/07/2008 : 23:49:53
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Originally posted by reputation
If Amy ever does have children I hope it's the making of her, I feel sorry for any child having her as a mother as she can't look after herself!
Ah, that's the sad problem. The reality is that baby kids don't save 'big' kids. Having been in recovery myself more than once, I can certainly say that having kids doesn't inspire sobriety, it only complicates the issue and makes the sadness more tragic. I hope Amy is able to become a 'whole' person before/if she brings new life into this world. Kids complicate things, period. Kids demand love and attention 24/7 and they know when something has gone wrong, they're not dumb. 
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reputation
Something Special
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24/07/2008 : 08:33:47
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Originally posted by Sweetbaby
What's this? Amy Winehouse has Marty's threads on?
Well I'm sure if Amy was wearing Marty's threads she'd look a helluva lot smarter than she does at the moment as most of the time she looks like an unmade bed!!!! |
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MICBO
Brand New Me
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Posted - 24/07/2008 : 09:51:53
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Well I'm sure if Amy was wearing Marty's threads she'd look a helluva lot smarter than she does at the moment as most of the time she looks like an unmade bed!!!!
I think Tracey Emin would be happy to know that. Be kind people....
Kids demand love and attention 24/7 and they know when something has gone wrong, they're not dumb.
Children deserve love and attention and it's the parents choice to have them or not....life is all about choices...all too often, people forget that simple fact! Some choose one path, others another.....great we are all different. Again, the packaging isn't important, it's the contents that matter......look beyond the cellophane, always.
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reputation
Something Special
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24/07/2008 : 10:26:00
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In reply to Micbo, when Amy Winehouse does something sensible I will be the first to applaud her.
Nobody is forcing drugs into her she takes them of her own accord so why should we sympathise with her?
I know our own dear Dusty went down that road but Dusty had been a star far longer than Amy and perhaps succumbed to pressure I dont know - either way Dusty was at an age when she should have known the dangers.
I remember when Dusty was a guest on Michal Aspel's show she said nobody likes to see a drunk or stoned woman and she's right - we don't want to see a drunk or stoned man either!
Drugs are given much more press now and Amy should realise the danger she is putting herself into as well. God knows she's been told often enough by her own family!
Also I feel packaging IS important especially when you are famous, would you buy something that looked a mess?
Amy's recent performance on the Mandela birthday concert was a shambles, her manager should never have allowed her onstage in that state as it did nothing for her career.
Artists like Dusty, Shirley, Petula, Cliff, Cilla etc always like they spend time in the dressing room but Amy looks like she hasn't even showered most of the time, harsh words I know but true.
I hate to see people wasting their lives, you only get one. |
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Janie
Administrator
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Posted - 24/07/2008 : 10:56:34
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Originally posted by reputation
Nobody is forcing drugs into her she takes them of her own accord so why should we sympathise with her?
I know our own dear Dusty went down that road but Dusty had been a star far longer than Amy and perhaps succumbed to pressure I dont know - either way Dusty was at an age when she should have known the dangers.
Drugs are given much more press now and Amy should realise the danger she is putting herself into as well. God knows she's been told often enough by her own family!
Also I feel packaging IS important especially when you are famous, would you buy something that looked a mess?
Artists like Dusty, Shirley, Petula, Cliff, Cilla etc always like they spend time in the dressing room but Amy looks like she hasn't even showered most of the time.
I hate to see people wasting their lives, you only get one.
Karl.........I'm not an Amy fan by any stretch of the imagination, I do have to say that at the outset so I am not the least bit biased in terms of her. However, I do find it a real contradiction that there seems to be such a forgiveness and understanding in your words about Dusty and yet such harshness towards Amy. I can't believe that Dusty wasn't FULLY aware of what drugs and drink were doing to her, she was clearly a very troubled soul..........well, by the same token Amy could be described in the same way. I don't suppose those around Dusty shoved the pills or alcohol down HER throat either, Dusty was responsible for what happened to Dusty as Amy is responsible for what is happening to Amy, as Janie is responsilbe for what is happening to Janie............well you get my meaning, I hope 
Who knows what goes on in others lives, who knows why some people crack under pressure while others soar?.........life is full of contradictions.
I agree its a real waste but how many times has that also been said about Dusty?
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treking
Wasn't Born To Follow
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Posted - 24/07/2008 : 11:11:41
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The real difference here is that Dusty never performed when drunk or on drugs..she took time out.
Amy is performing in this state.
Dusty was always a class act as a performer and Amy is at the moment a complete shambles as a performer.
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Janie
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Posted - 24/07/2008 : 12:09:44
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Originally posted by treking
The real difference here is that Dusty never performed when drunk or on drugs..she took time out.
Amy is performing in this state.
Dusty was always a class act as a performer and Amy is at the moment a complete shambles as a performer.
Trek
Also known as Carole.
Entirely valid points Trek. I do though go back to a point a made yesterday about different eras, different historical contexts. The responsibility for Amy performing 'pickled' lies with managers, tour promoters, money makers. Who knows what pressure is there for her to fulfil contractual commitments? Don't blame Amy, blame the integrity of the fans for going to see her in the state shes in because if that wasn't the case there would be no money in it for the promoters, for the managers, for the hangers-on.......empty stadiums aren't particularly cost-efficient  .....blame the public who buy the newspapers that scrawl her indiscretions across their pages.
I love Dusty to bits as we all know  but I don't feel it necessary to be overly precious about her. She was a superb talent and has left us with a legacy that is second to none but she was human and she did have problems. From what we know (unless I've got it completely wrong  ), Dusty didn't take a break from showbiz because of her addictions but because she didn't want to go the cabaret route, didn't want to do what was necessary to keep her career bouyant until such time as she could do what she wanted (not sure though she even did know what she wanted to do?).
Anyways, my point here is that she wasn't, for whatever reason, in a position to work which had little (at that stage) to do with her problems. She sadly of course hit her troughs and then no doubt even the work that she had been offered would not have been forthcoming anyways .
History tells us how difficult it was for many stars to maintain their career but so many did...the ones Karl refers to for example......Petula, Cilla, Shirley....they all did it.
None of us know how Dusty would have been had she been of the age of Amy and performing in todays climate, with todays pressures.....I think we have to remain very open minded about that quite chilling prospect but to my mind that mere thought makes me a little more sympathetic to the pickle Amy Winehouse and so many others are in.
Here endeth my second rant of the day   .
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Something Special
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24/07/2008 : 12:21:03
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Janie I think you are missing some points I made. I did say Dusty went down that road at an age when she should have known better (she was in her 30's).
I have re-read my original post and I really can't see sympathy there. When I heard Dusty was in a bad way I was furious at her, however any time she returned here she always looked great so the cracks never showed in public.
However in hindsight with what I know now, perhaps she was not in the best of condition when she did the tv show from The Hippodrome - that was the most embarassing perfomance I'd ever seen Dusty give - it wasn't her at all she came over as brash and over-confident which was not like her.
However ,whilst I am making no excuses for Dusty or anyone else she'd been a HUGE star for years and I know from what I've read the pressures were extreme - I once read she used to cry daily to relieve the pressure.
Amy on the other hand is just starting out on her career so she should not feel so pressurised yet. However as to why people turn to drink & drugs I don't know, perhaps they are caught in a moment of weakness - who knows?
And Treking I agree with you Dusty never performed under the influence that's why Bobby Davro's skit was so cruel. I am only glad I never saw it, I never liked the man anyway. To get a laugh at the misfortune of others is not on - I would not like anyone to parody Amy either! I just wish the woman would get her act together and prove to us what a talent she really is. |
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MICBO
Brand New Me
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Posted - 24/07/2008 : 13:23:19
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Oh what sparks! My point was that the packaging doesn't matter or alter the vocal talent which Amy clearly has. And as for appearance, why some of the most awful looking foodstuffs actually taste lovely so it would be foolish indeed to discount them because of the way they looked! To do this with people is shallowness is all.
Why anyone takes drugs or 'turns' to alcohol is a whole new debate, best left off this site me thinks. Addictive personalities, lifestyle, etc. can all play a part. I agree that those who attend the famous HAVE to share some of the responsibility of their public behaviour. Amy is clearly struggling and maybe she deserves credit for still trying to get out there and sing, despite all the negativity which surely doesn't help anyone in her situation. She may have been the one who decided to take drugs and drink but once they have a hold, goodness knows how difficult it must be to stop! Some on this site may bear witness to that I can imagine....didn't someone mention 'recovery' recently?
Amy is not alone in her public behaviour of this ilk - who can forget Grace Jones hitting Russell Harty on air? or Oliver Reed's drunken appearance on The Michael Parkinson Show and how often did Paula Yates appear to be rather 'strange' on The Tube in her day......come on folks, let's give Amy some assistance with our words, not slam her. Again, I keep saying this and it doesn't seem to sink in - try walking in someone's shoes for a mile or two, then you will POSSIBLY only just begin to understand that person and allow them grace to live as they choose. Not everyone can do that, admittedly, however, let's just try and be kind - and to each other here, please.
Moi!
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Earthbound Gypsy
Something Special
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Posted - 24/07/2008 : 15:27:06
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I think Dusty would roll over in her proverbial grave if she saw herself being compared to Amy Winehouse. As I already mentioned, I just fail to see Amy has having a huge amount of talent. I am not ready to give up on her yet, she still is young and if she ever sobers up maybe I will see it, maybe not.
I think Dusty knew she was doing wrong and therefore never appeared on stage stoned or drunk. Certainly NOT the case with Amy, I don't think she gives a damn or could she just be too out of it to even know the difference!
Also, Amy is a site for sore eyes. Dusty took great care about her appearance in public. Her clothes were impeccable and so were her beehive hairdos. She NEVER gave the appearance of being dirty, even though she said she left her eye make-up for weeks without washing it off at one time. For those of you that were around in the 60's, I was very caught up with the MOD scene in the fashion world. I couldn't wait to see what Dusty and Petula would be wearing whenever they appeared on TV and in magazines. Amy looking like an an unmade bed is probably being kind! What's with Amy's beehive? Sorry, but it must be crawling with head lice from it's appearance. Yuk!
As for the public going to see Amy, I wonder how many of them want to see a sober Amy Winehouse and are truly disappointed when they don't. No agruement that I am sure some want to see her drunk/stoned. What can I say, it can be a sick world at times. She needs to stop saying NO, NO, NO to rehab.
IMO, Dusty had a very loving and endearing personality. Can't say that about Amy.
Today's stars such as Amy seem to relish in this sort of publicity. I know tht Dusty was very upset with what the press had to say about her. I would like to think that in today's world she would be better prepared. She seemed to be more accepting of it all towards the end of her life.
I wish Amy Winehouse well and hopefully someday I will see her talent that so many claim she has.
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Something Special
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24/07/2008 : 21:15:15
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Micbo I have no idea how old you are or what experience you have of people and indeed of life itself - I have and I have been on the receiving end of verbal abuse both in a previous long term job and more recently from someone who was a long time friend. I have also seen what drink can do as a late member of my family liked to drink. It's not pleasant I can assure you!
I think it is most unwise of Amy Winehouse to perform when she is not in the best of health, she is not being fair on herself or her fans. She would be better to get herself together and then make a return to the stage.
Nobody is being cruel or unfair to her, just being honest and sensible.
I wish Amy would get back on track and prove to us what a talent she could be, let's hope she does. |
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treking
Wasn't Born To Follow
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24/07/2008 : 22:49:22
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let's just try and be kind - and to each other here, please.
Moi!
Here, here MICOB I agree with that sentiment
It was worth setting up this thread away from National treasures etc.
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Memphis
Wishing And Hoping
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24/07/2008 : 23:10:17
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What a great thread. I agree with Janie's wise words.
Just as Amy hit pay dirt and had all that overwhelming success all at once she finally got together with the man she'd loved and lost and, reader, she married him and ended up dependant on soft and hard drugs and her drug taking man who has been a prison for a while now. A poisonous cocktail with all those lucrative deals being made - I think Amy must be under terrible pressure on a few counts. She can't get off the treadmill. She's like Bette Midler in The Rose and she's not even 25 yet.
She looks great on a good day. I love that punky 60s look. But it's time for a make over. Everything must go. That look has had its day and it's too linked to destructive, sad, chaos nowadays.
As for Dusty, she was in much worse state at times but luckily we didn't have to see it. Just think what it would have been like if she'd have had the Brit paparazzi to deal with. I bet we'd have been just as cruel as we are to Amy. Get yourself together Girl or go away!
We now have YouTube and can look at lots of Dusty's performances. Some viewers think she's drunk or stoned in some of the post Memphis TV videos (and that she's giving the devil's sign in some SOAP performances). I've just been reading myself how she'd have a bottle of vodka maybe some champagne too in her dressing room. I think she had to loosen up. Maybe the vodka before and then the champagne after. Sometimes she'd get her words wrong. Although she was never in the state we've recently seen Amy in it's still a little shocking to see someone who was so demure, so spot on and professional in her earlier days getting less constant, consistent and sometimes (but very rarely) too 'loose'. We know a little of what was going on with Dusty and her debilitating insecurites as well as the pressures to succeed that she had to deal with, so we can understand her better. We know nothing about the real Amy yet; she's happening in front of us and we can't take stock yet.
It's just a shame that the best music comes from tortured lives sometimes (Amy's brilliant 'Back to Black' album is all about Blake). And Amy IS one of the best right now at least on record and I wish her all the best. But I'd rather listen to Dusty anyday.
Memphis
Ever since we met...
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reputation
Something Special
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/07/2008 : 08:11:30
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Originally posted by treking
let's just try and be kind - and to each other here, please.
Moi!
Here, here MICOB I agree with that sentiment
It was worth setting up this thread away from National treasures etc.
Trek
Also known as Carole.
What's with Let's Try To Be Kind phrase?
Nobody is being UNKIND just trying very hard to get our points across. |
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treking
Wasn't Born To Follow
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/07/2008 : 08:24:31
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MICOB'S words not mine !
I was merely agreeing ...no one is suggesting anyone is being unkind Feel free to get your points across folks.
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Earthbound Gypsy
Something Special
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Posted - 25/07/2008 : 19:30:10
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I have to agree that I don't think anyone was being unkind or even any sparks, perhaps just a bit of excitement in our conversations, nothing wrong with that!
Marty
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